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« on: September 02, 2009, 11:30:07 am » |
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Just wanted to clarify a little bit about the Triarii, before I play my first game and utterly CRUSH my opponents with their awesomeness...
1) Even though the design notes pretty much state this flat-out, I want to verify it to be sure. Do the Triarii count as backing up ALL units within 5" of their front center point given that they are behind them? For example, let's say I have this setup for my manicle:
VHHHV V = Veteran Hastati H = Hastati
PPP P = Principes
T T T = Triarii
The two Triarii are within 5" of the rear mark on all of the 8 units in front of it. That being said, would it count as "backing up" all of those units, giving all of those units (+1)+0/+0? If so...AWESOME!
2) Does the Triarii ability work with the Pila ranged attacks, giving them all 4 ranged attacks as well? If so...DAAAAAAAAANG...
Depending on the answers to these two questions, the Triarii may just be the BEST unit in the game! I'll have to hire them as mercs in my other horde armies, like Umenzi or Orcs! Imagine a row of Orc Crossbowmen with Triarii at their back! *shudder*
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 08:32:18 pm » |
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Depending on the answers to these two questions, the Triarii may just be the BEST unit in the game! I'll have to hire them as mercs in my other horde armies, like Umenzi or Orcs! Imagine a row of Orc Crossbowmen with Triarii at their back! *shudder*
Cool as that would be, I'm assuming that as an army special ability, non faction units couldn't benefit from it. Nevertheless, I share your enthusiasm for Triarri, I can't wait to use them to kill elves!  The secret reason there are so many Elf factions: people love killing Elves! - Niko |
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« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 08:40:30 pm by gull2112 »
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 08:43:48 pm » |
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Non-faction units benefit from it fine; I've had some hilarious mercenaries getting the good old Roman motivation.
They also do indeed back up all units behind them within 5".
It does, however, only work for engaged attacks, and you get only one extra die no matter how many Triarii are backing you up.
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cybertuna
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009, 07:39:13 am » |
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It does, however, only work for engaged attacks, and you get only one extra die no matter how many Triarii are backing you up.
Where does it specify the thing about engaged attacks? I understand that this is the spirit of the rule, but the letter of the rule is that the unit gets (+1)+0/+0. It doesn't specify. Perhaps a FAQ/Errata is in order...  |
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 05:49:07 am » |
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I hadn't noticed that, but I guess you're right, cybertuna. It dosen't specify. I suppose an errata would be good, although it seems like common sense that they wouldn't boost ranged attacks - they don't even have a ranged weapon! As for non-Romans getting the extra die, ask Niko about his Triarii-backed Hydra.  |
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cybertuna
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 07:59:39 am » |
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As a 40K rules lawyer, it's my JOB to find nasty ways to exploit the rules to my benefit.
Since they (probably) don't do that, I think the Triarii are not nearly as broken as I thought they were. They don't help on the charge, and they don't help with range, so most of the times when having that extra melee attack would really count you won't have it, so I'm not really feeling as awed by them now.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 08:07:45 am » |
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I just have to say Archilochos that you have one sweet avatar motto.  |
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 03:29:04 pm » |
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Since they (probably) don't do that, I think the Triarii are not nearly as broken as I thought they were. They don't help on the charge, and they don't help with range, so most of the times when having that extra melee attack would really count you won't have it, so I'm not really feeling as awed by them now. Although having Triarii back up High Elf battlesquads... |
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2009, 03:47:23 pm » |
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I'm pretty sure Triarii are mostly going to be worth it if they're backing up one or more Roman units, just because those guys get so much better when backed up by anyone at all, and 193 points to back up 3 Romans is awesome. On the other hand, if you've got dice that are significantly better than 5/5, then you might well be able to make good on the third unit being non-Roman.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2009, 11:50:00 pm » |
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As a 40K rules lawyer, it's my JOB to find nasty ways to exploit the rules to my benefit. A proud gaming tradition. I salute you, sir.  I just have to say Archilochos that you have one sweet avatar motto. Thanks, lazyj! Although having Triarii back up High Elf battlesquads...
I hadn't thought of that. Definitely cost effective, with the option of Precision for yet another hit. It might be good to try with dwarves, too. Longbeards, Axemen, etc. with Rune of Uruz, plus the Triarii... |
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 08:30:49 pm » |
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Although having Triarii back up High Elf battlesquads...
I hadn't thought of that. Definitely cost effective, with the option of Precision for yet another hit. It might be good to try with dwarves, too. Longbeards, Axemen, etc. with Rune of Uruz, plus the Triarii... Shhhh, don't give Rushass any ideas. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 09:30:06 am » |
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OK, a few answers:
1. Yes, they are awesome.
2. No, they don't enhance ranged attacks. This is a typo and will be addressed through errata.
3. Yes, they enhance non-Roman units. I was a bit nervous about this, but Niko convinced me it was OK. One of the main reasons I'm not too worried is that Rome can only be used as a mercenary faction if you're playing by optional rules...and if you're using optional rules who cares what the official rule is?
4. The other reason, as Niko already pointed out, is that the real excitement of a Triarii comes when they are backing up Romans. Then, in addition to the +1 attack you also get +1 courage on each unit AND you get some of the best command cards in the game.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 01:15:32 pm » |
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Shhhh, don't give Rushass any ideas. What ideas? Half naked Roman men standing behind my favorite.... Oh, I don't think he was thinking in those terms at all. Move along folks, nothing to see here... |
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 08:40:01 am » |
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What ideas? Half naked Roman men standing behind my favorite....
Ouch! I think I just had a spasm in my mind's eye... |
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