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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2011, 11:19:11 am » |
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It might buff up the front line a bit, but holding the line after it becomes toe to toe becomes a point of probability; IMO the DE come up short in durability.
I don't get this. I know that the DE line units are merely average in the stat bar category and the 3/1 defense is also considered "average", though I still like 3/1 over 2/2 or 1/3. But consider: A) Many opponents will be losing at least an attack die on the charge due to fearsomeness B) Good offensive stats + Pain touch means that the damage opposing line units take is likely to place them into the yellow before the DE line units go there So in my mind a good deal of DE line units (swordsmen, Dusk Blade Swordsmen, Blade Dancers, Lashmisterss) are decent on durability by the merit of removing attack dice from their opponents quickly and thus saving themselves from some pain. Sort of a "The best defense is a good offense" theory. |
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2011, 12:59:49 pm » |
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I'm with you on this, Marcus. Matching Blade Dancers against a unit with below average offensive power really brings the pain.
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2011, 02:01:29 pm » |
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I had the chance to play these guys again last week and the Blade Dancers did a VERY nice job cleaning up units. I hit them with spells and Lashes, then the Dancers went to work. Played the Ambush or Trap? scenario and used the Lashmistresses to jerk the defenders around and set for cav/Dancer pinch attacks - Just plain nasty.
This is a tough army and I still think they may be too good for their value. In 5 games with them, I've not lost yet. I need to play against them to figure out how to beat them.
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2011, 02:28:28 pm » |
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Without the LoDusk there is very little to force the opponent into making mistakes.
I find that it is more efficient to allow opponents to freely choose their own mistakes, rather than go through the effort of forcing them into one. |
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2011, 04:34:53 pm » |
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What's up with this DE faction. Seems to be stirring up a real bees nest. Is it too powerful or what? I haven't had a chance to play the faction yet. (Seems my group is lacking as of late, we haven't gotten together in a while). From all this talk it seems that the spell casting of the heavy hitters is too powerful. I'd like to try my Ravenwood army against it again. I went 2-0 iat council(one tourney game and one pick up game), but that could of been because people weren't all too familiar with the DE army yet. In both my games, once the Treant broke through it was over. I remember pain touch being.......well.....ya know......painful.  Can't wait to get to Total Con this year. Seems that I won't be playing any SFB so I'll have more time for BG. Maybe I'll be a real sport and play the Dwarves. They are such slow bastards. Probably will get rocked by the DE or any fast spell casting/ranged army. Oh, but what a joy once we engage. Heh, I'm talking like I know what I'm doing with the short bastards. I've never played them. We'll have to see how it goes. |
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2011, 06:26:06 pm » |
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What's up with this DE faction. Seems to be stirring up a real bees nest. Is it too powerful or what? Its just too new. Give it time, and folks will develope ways of dealing with them, then we'll get back to realizing the faction that's closest to being broken is the Orcs!  |
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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2011, 08:40:49 pm » |
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I think your rubbing off on me. I made some Orc armies last night. I'm starting to like that faction again. There just so aggressive. I love it.
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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2011, 08:58:31 pm » |
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Its just too new. Give it time, and folks will develop ways of dealing with them, I recall people saying the same thing about skirmishers...before they got fixed (and some folks are now saying that even after being downgraded they're too strong). It's also possible that time will prove that a DE army in the hands of a reasonably experienced player will win over 80% of the time. |
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2011, 10:56:47 pm » |
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It's also possible that time will prove that a DE army in the hands of a reasonably experienced player will win over 80% of the time.
Over who? A novice? Another reasonably experienced player? Marcus with beer? |
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2011, 11:17:03 pm » |
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Over who? A novice? Another reasonably experienced player? Over someone of equivalent skill, of course. It goes without saying that an experienced player will usually beat a new player, regardless of faction. Hell I'd love to go 2 years back in time and hand me my own ass.  In other news, I just posted my "Kevin tries to balance the Dark Elves" suggestions in the Player Requests thread. Those who believe there might currently be a balancing problem to an otherwise cool faction are welcome to wander over and have a look. I advise others to play a few games vs. a DE army first. |
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« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2011, 11:21:29 am » |
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Over who? A novice? Another reasonably experienced player? Marcus with beer? Hey, I resent that! Still play well when full of beer! The only guy better at it is Tim! Hell I'd love to go 2 years back in time and hand me my own ass. There are soooo many places we can go with this... On a slightly different path, I'm going to continue the proclamation of one of my favorite units in this army - The Highblood Duskblades. They have no funky abilities to get the locals all in a tiff, they just bring it. Yeah, I've always been a sucker for heavy infantry types and when Nikko gave me an advanced copy of this unit in 2009 I was already freaking out about it. |
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« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2011, 11:38:02 am » |
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Over who? A novice? Another reasonably experienced player? Marcus with beer? Clearly, he was going up the spectrum of difficulty. novice -> reasonably experienced player -> Marcus with beer |
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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2011, 11:46:09 am » |
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Hell I'd love to go 2 years back in time and hand me my own ass. That's a scary thought. Kevin B-S with Kevin B-S from 2 years in the future as a sparring partner! |
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« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2011, 11:01:10 pm » |
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I played against the Dark Elves for the first time tonight, at the SWA February Game-a-thon; my warm-up for TotalCon.
Man... those Slave Warriors surprised me. I guess I've got to read the cards more carefully in the next 2 weeks.
Only 97 points gets you a unit with 12 Courage and the Spear bonus. Seems generous at first glance.
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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2011, 01:34:03 am » |
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Man... those Slave Warriors surprised me. I guess I've got to read the cards more carefully in the next 2 weeks.
Only 97 points gets you a unit with 12 Courage and the Spear bonus. Seems generous at first glance. You can still chop up the Slave Warriors with decent (or even mediocre) infantry, but yeah, they're a tough nut for light cavalry (what is generally used to sweep up the chaff) to crack. Slaves & Lowbloods are one of the strengths of the Dark Elf faction, as noted in the "Kevin's Rule Request - Dark Elf Edition" thread http://yourmovegames.com/forum/index.php/topic,1942.0.html |
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